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Interview With An Exorcist - Part 1

August 10th, 2005 · 5 Comments

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In what will be a multi part posting I will post a number of interviews with exorcists on this blog. The Interviews come from the Jinn Mailing List and should prove fascinating to those interested in the subject:

Interview NO. 1
Location: Cairo,
Egypt
Date 9/8/88

Name Shaykh Muhammad Taahir ` Abdul- Muhsin
Date of Birth: 1952
Place of Birth: Cairo
Education: BA in Islamic Studies from al-Azhar University,
specializing in qiraa’ aat, 1978. Lectures occasionally at al –
Azahr.

Q. When did you begin practicing exorcism?
A. I began about nine or ten years ago.

Q. What caused you to begin?
A. I read Ibn Taymeeyah’s book on the jinn and when my friend in
Taaalibiyyah described his wife’s state, I realized that it was a
case of possession and proceeded to treat her.

Q. What are the signs which indicate that a person is possessed?
A. Some of the signs are that a person mentions that he is uneasy,
he finds himself getting up and sitting down frequently, he speaks
unintelligible, etc. This is called demonic possession (sara ` al-
jinn).

Q. What is the first thing you do when a possessed person is brought
to you?
A. In the beginning, we ask the possessed if he has been treated by
a physician. If he has already been treated by a doctor, we can
address the jinnee, saying ” Fear Allah!” I speak to it in the same
way that I speak to a human. If he is in a state of convulsion, I
speak directly to the jinnee. Otherwise, I recite over him some
Qur’anic verses. Sometimes it will manifest itself during the
recitation and at other times it will hide.

Q. How do you distinguish between one who is possessed and one who
is sick?
A. The state of the possessed is unstable, and they usually do not
come to me until after they have visited a physician or a
psychiatrist. Patients usually won’t come until after they have
tried all other methods. In that way, we know that he is likely to
be possessed or possibly under a magical spell.

Q. How do you distinguish between the effects of magic and demonic
possession?
A. In the case of possession the jinn will speak immediately, yet
for a patient under a magical spell the jinn will not talk. The one
under a magic spell will require recitation for a long time, and he
will need to take Arabic folk medicine. This encouraged, according
to the statement of the statement of the Prophet (PBPH) collected by
Muslim. “Whoever is able to help his brother should do so.” When the
Prophet (PBPH) prohibited incantations, someone stated, “O Messenger
of Allah, we have some incantations against magic and scorpions.” He
said to them, “Read your incantations to me.” When they did so, he
prohibited those containing idolatry and confirmed those which did
not. He then said, “Whoever is able to help his brother, let him do
so.” He meant by that, for example, canceling the effects of magic
from one bewitched, which may make him unable to go to his wife. He
takes a double edged ax, heats it on a fire until it becomes red,
then he passes it over her. This does not have shirk in it. It is
Arabic medicine. Such things are mentioned in Fat-h al-Baaree.
There are two ways of treating magic- one way is
according to divine law (sharee’ah) and another is not. The legal
way removes it completely while the illegal method only removes it
temporarily. Ibn al-Qayyim mentioned that if the effects of the
spell have been present for a long time, it must be broken by Arabic
medicinal methods. On the other hand, if it is recent, it may be
removed by Qur’anic verses and prophetic methods.

Q. Based upon your communication with possessing jinn, what are the
main reasons why jinn possess humans?

A. The reasons are as follows:
1. Walking around the house naked.
2. Being isolated and unprotected by the prophetic morning and
evening prayers.
3. Entering the toilet without fortifying prayers because the
toilets are among the dwelling places of the jinn.
4. Pouring hot water on the jinnee without mentioning Allah’s
name.
5. Going without making the fortifying prayers to the areas of
the jinn, like mountain tops and garbage dumps, hurting them by
urinating on them or stepping on them- The jinn may then ignorantly
hurt the person much more than he deserves. In such cases the
treatment involves addressing the jinnee and telling it that the
patient had accidentally- and not intentionally –hurt it. If it was
harmed in the patient’s home, it should be told that it had no right
to be there in the first place, for jinnee should be not allowed to
live in the homes of humans. Thus, the jinnee should be told that it
is in the wrong. They actually reply. Some times they will say, “I
love him.” Other times they may threaten those in their presence by
saying, “I will leave and hurt him.” In such cases, the exorcist
must have strong faith and believe in the oneness of Allah and say
to the jinnee, “You are certainly not able to do anything at all
because the only one who can benefit or harm is Allah.” At that
point, the jinnee will become fearful and cause the person to shake.

Q. Who are most affected by jinn, men or women?
A. Woman is more affected because the jinn love beautiful women.
They may even have intercourse with them. A cause of possession was
presented to me in which a Christian woman said that she feels
something come upon her and she struggles with it but it overcomes
her. I told her, “Accept Islam and I will- by the grace of Allah-
remove it from you.” She refused, so I left her. Consensual
intercourse can take place between them, but this would be a major
sin because Allah has created that which is suitable for each
species. Thus, it is not allowable for humans to marry from the
animal world.

Q. Do male jinn possess women and female jinn’s possess men, or is
it possible that male jinn possess males and vice-versa?
A. In reference to those jinn who possess because of love, their
love for humans is based upon desire. Therefore, male jinn love
women, and female jinn love men. However, there is no gender
preference when humans accidentally cause harm to jinn. For example,
we saw a man from Upper Egypt who knew nothing of the Qu’aan and
Sunnah, but in his possessed state he would recite the Qur’aan like
a trained reciter. When the jinnee was removed, we discovered that
it used to worship in a cave. The man, who was a stonemason, went
into that cave and urinated and defecated in it, so the jinnee hurt
him. We told the jinnee, “You are a Muslim who has memorized the
Qur’aan, and spoiling this man’s mind and body is satanic.” The
jinnee complied by leaving.

Q. From your experience, if a jinnee speaks, does he use the voice
of the possessed person or does the voice change?
A. The voice is often different. If it is a female jinnee, it speaks
with a female voice, and male jinnee with a male voice.

Q. Can a disbelieving jinnee enter a Muslim?
A. Usually a disbelieving jinnee enters a Muslim. The conditions of
the jinn are like that of humans. Some are Muslims and others are
not. Some are righteous and others are not. However, it is possible
for Muslim jinnee to harm a Muslim human.

Q. Whenever you address the jinn and invite them to Islam, do they
accept it?
A. Yes I present Islam to them and they usually accept. I remind
them of the next life and that they will have to return to Allah.
They often comply immediately. Sometimes they listen to a great deal
of religious admonition, yet do not respond. The ease or difficulty
of their removal varies from one person to another. By using methods
involving kufr, the jinn will respond but they won’t leave
permanently. If the exorcist possesses strong faith, the jinnee will
respond and leave. However, if he does not, the possession of the
person will continue, in the kufr methods, the jinn are called up
using lawful means, like making oaths containing shirk and kufr. For
example, they say, “I swear by your seven most mighty.” In such a
case shirk is involved, and assuredly the jinn will answer him and
ask him what the wishes because he has exalted them. He will then
ask the jinn to leave, but the jinn will ask him to do some things
in return. Shaykh Ibn Taymeeyah said that one should not do anything
that the jinn request. If he tells you to drink water of sacrifice
an animal for him, it should not be done. If he says that he will
leave for one reason or another, tell him that he must leave in
obedience to Allah and his Messenger.

Q. From your experience, how do jinn benefit from possessing humans?
A. It is from love or just desire. For example if an ignorant man
walking down the street is accidentally hurt by an intelligent
person, the ignorant man decides to punish the intelligent one. What
benefits does he get from that? It is just ignorance. There are
prophetic traditions which indicate that the jinn may take the form
of vermin, like snakes and rats. One may kill a vermin without
mentioning Allah’s name and it may have been one of them. Because of
this, the jinn may afflict him with some punishment.

Q. How does a jinnee enter a human?
A. The Prophet (PBUH) said that the devil flows in the blood streams
of Adam’s descendants. Sometimes it may have fun with the
superstitious by saying that it will leave though the eye of the
possessed and gouge it out or that it will leave by his leg,
paralyzing it. Consequently, the true believer should not accept
such statements but tell it to lave as it came. Sometimes the jinn
will only leave if they are flogged.

Q. Have you found any jinn who spoke in a different language than
the one possessed?
A. Yes We found a jinnee in an Egyptian woman who spoke Urdu. He was
originally from Pakistan. He said that he was on hajj and fell in
love with her and returned with her to Egypt. His name was strange,
incomprehensible. He said that he lived in an abandoned apartment
and that he had over ten thousand children and grandchildren. Some
people may hear this and ask, “How could ten thousand live in one
apartment?” However, we already pointed out that they may take form
of the vermin, like ants.

I also helped a Saudi married to an Egyptian woman who
used to curse at her husband in different languages, like English
and French. I communicated with the jinnee in Arabic, and it left
her after promising to do so.
Sometimes exorcists fall into shirk as a result of a
jinnee. For example, when an exorcist orders a jinnee to leave a
person by that permission of Allah, but the jinnee swears that it
will only leave by other than Allah (e.g., swearing to leave by a so-
called
Saint) and the exorcist agrees to its stipulation, and this is
shirk. If the exorcist strictly believes in the oneness of Allah, he
will say to it, “No. You are a liar and a pagan. You are not allowed
to swear by other than Allah. You must swear by Allah, saying `I
promise Allah to leave the person and protect her from others as
much as possible. By the One who split the sea for Moses and made
the winds blow Solomon, I will leave her and will not return
again.’” And it will actually leave.

Q. When you address the jinn, do you find that they have names like
humans?
A. Yes. They sometimes name themselves with human names
like `Abdul `Azeez. At other times they have non-human names and
incomprehensible titles.

Q. Having any of your children been affected by possession after you
began treating possessed people?
A. No, may Allah be praised. My children recite from the Qur’aan the
two chapters of protection ( mu `awwithataan) and the opening
chapter (al-Faatihah). The Qur’aan is a cure for all physical and
spiritual ailments. If the people ask how disease can be resisted,
the response is that resistance is granted by the Lord of the earth
and the sky. The proof of this is that the companions of the Prophet
(PBUH) treated scorpion stings with the recitation of al-Faatihah.
The sting was a physical ailment and the recitation of al-Faatihah
was a spiritual healing. Ibn al – Qayyim also used as proof the
Almighty’s statement:
“We revealed in the Qur’aan what is a healing and mercy from the
believers.” 633 Qur’aan, 17: 82.

This is in reference to all forms of ailment, physical or spiritual.
In several known cases when the possessed reached the door of a
particular house, the jinnee screamed out, “I will never enter this
place because the Qur’aan is read in it.” The Prophet (PBUH)
said, “If Soorah al- Baqarah is read in a house, the devil will not
come near it for three days.

Q. During an exorcism have you ever found more than one jinnee in a
person>
A. Yes, more than one jinnee may cause harm to a person’s body, as
Ibn Taymeeyah confirmed. They will also have different voices.

Q. Could you describe the steps that you use for treatment?
A. First I ask the person being treated his name and the may say,
for example, Ahmad or Muhammad. During my recitation I ask again for
his name and he may say, for example, George. Therefore I know that
it is a jinnee. I ask if it is a Muslim and so on.

Q. If you communicate with the jinnee and it refuses to leave, what
do you do?
A. I recite many verses of Qur’aan over him. And if it still refuses
to leave, then say, “I will drive you out with severe beating.” It
becomes fearful because humans are stronger than jinn. I saw a case
in which a jinnee was in love with a woman, and I said to it, “I
will read a lot of Qur’aan over you.” It replied that it loved the
Qur’aan. I asked how it could love the Qur’aan and at the same time
be passionately in love with the woman. I brought a stick and hit
her on the neck with it, yet the possessed woman did not feel
anything. Only in cases of possession should beating be used.

Q. Do you tie the toes of the person?
A. There are many different methods which do not contain shirk or
kufr which may be used.

Q. Do you recite over water and make the possessed person drink it?
Or do you use oil?
A. Yes, sometimes I have, as long as there is no shirk involved. I
have used the mushrah method of stone grinding seven lotus leaving,
placing this in a container of water and reciting the kawaafir
(Soorah al- Kaafiroon [ 109], Soorah al-Ikhlaas [112], verse 255 of
the second chapter and al- Faatihah) over it. The patient then
drinks three mouth fulls of this and bathes with the remainder. It
is a good and effective method.
When the possessed person comes, I recite verses
over him, such as the four verses of Soorah al-Baqarah, ”
wailaahukum ilaahun waahid…, ” 635 verse 255 of al – Baqarah; the
last verses of Aal `Imraan (3); Surah al- A ` raaf from the
Almighty’s statement: “inna rabbakumullaah allathee khalaqas-
samaawaati wal-arda fee sittati ayyaamin thummastawaa `alal-arsh
yughshil-laylan-nahaar…” 636 for about four verses until His
statement: ” innahoo laa yuhibbul- mu’tadeen wa laa tufsidoo fil-
ardi ba’da islaahiha wad’oohukhawfan wa tama’an inna rahmatal-laahi
qareebun minal-muhsieen”, 637 also ” laqad jaa’ akum rasoolun min
anfusikum”, 638 Soorah al-Muminoon (23); Soorah as-Saaffaat (37);
the ending of Soorah al-Hashr (59): and Soorah al- Kaafiroon (109).
639 This is called the small dose (jur’ah sughraa). Those possessed
always are affected by it and the jinnee usually comes out after
this recitation. If the jinnee does not come out or manifest itself,
I know that the person is not possessed. However, instead, he may be
bewitched. Sometimes the jinnee will manifest itself while I address
it after the recitation. Some cases may be delusion and therefore
are called delusionary magic (sihr al-awhamm). Sometimes the person
may have ailments due to bad character.
About 50 percent of the cases are brought to me
are demonic possession or magic and the rest common sicknesses.
Once a woman came to me and I recited upon her, and the jinnee was
burned up. It is possible for them to be burned. On another occasion
a Saudi man came to me who had been bewitched by menstrual blood and
sperm. He was screaming like a calf being slaughtered.

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